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Where is the disinformation? Here are my main points:odbo wrote:My point was to refute your disinformation, or should I say attempt at cognitive dissonance. My aim is to make people aware that they are in the middle of a war, a war they are purposely made oblivious to and one that they are losing.ladislav wrote:And so, now what is the point? That is it is to go down the street, attack Jewish cobblers, kill kids at Jewish schools, etc?
Pogroms happened and they were directed mostly against innocent common working folks in the form of ethnic cleansing. That is no good.
There was no Zionism yet when they happened.
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
Well, if you grew up with Pravda like I did and if you knew about the Russian Yellow Journalism, you would know what I mean. One thing is certain: we do not have all the documents at our disposal and this argument can just go on and on. So, I agree to disagree and leave it at that.odbo wrote:I'm not refuting that the pogroms happened. But taking it out context, (not including the reasons why it happened, instead posting it out of the blue to discredit the alleged writers of The Protocols of Sion), works as disinformation and has the effect of cognitive dissonance to an unknowing reader. And what do you mean there was no Zionism yet, even Zionist wikipedia says it began in the latter part of the 1800s.
Let me remind you that I'm not the one who brought up the Protocols of Sion, and it is not an important document to me. In fact the correct way to read it is to replace "Jews" (everytime the word comes up) with ruling families/globalists/internationalists/illuminati/power elite.
I posted some quote involving Trotsky and you responded by saying the protocols are a fraud. If I post other quotes from Jews gloating about their evil acts, will you again brush it off by saying "the Russians are experts at slander and forgery...", because such idiocy is the typical Jewish form of denial argument and one the naive goyim are all too happy to accept.
What caused pogroms? Blaming groups for something a few people did or were perceived to have done. Ethnic stereotyping. All these are bad, kill them all! The tendency to generalize.
Here is an interesting site on pogroms. You will see that Jewish pogroms started centuries before Zionism. Also, you will see other, non Jewish pogroms.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
Oh, I wish I had all this time to argue. Anyway, the Jews had been hated for over a millennium prior to the advent of Socialism/Communism/Marxism. Why? Simple- they were not Christians or Muslims. Christian countries in those times did not tolerate those who were not Christians. The interfered with the church/state control mechanism. So, when you say people hate Jews, I will reiterate- Christian and Muslim people hate them. It's just rivalry between three monotheistic religions. But the big ones had lands they could call their own, the Jews did not.
The Protocols were never seen in the original and were very much a remake of Machiavelli's documents that refered to Napoleon's imperial ambitions. Only names were substituted. Not even a clever fake. Geared for the uneducated Russian populace. So typically Russian. So much of their literature including Pushkin's great poems have been ripped off some foreign poem. Pushkin just copied The Arabian nights, for one and put in Russian- sounding names. I can name a few more literary works.
There was no record of any meeting of the Elders of Zion anywhere. It is not a historical fact. The document signed by any of them was never found or seen.
Muslims were just as hated and were kicked out of Europe. The hatred that Serbs have for Albanians or Turks is just as bad if not worse than what they have for Jews. The Greeks hate Turks just as badly. Mainly because they are Muslims. But the difference is Muslims had countries to go back to after having been kicked out, Jews did not.
Same in the Muslim world- they hate(d) anybody who was not a Muslim. The religious establishment was one with the government and both Jews and Christians were hated. You remember riots and burnings of the churches in Egypt lately? Same thing. Not different. Throughout the history of Islam, non Muslims, particularly Jews and Christians were treated almost equally bad. And in Saudi Arabia, a non Muslim can never be a citizen until today. In Europe, Jews lived as non citizens for centuries- non Christians means non-citizens.
Socialism/Communism/Marxism came way later and were not designed with the original intent to harm society. The beginning was good- these idealists wanted a world that would be more just where everyone would have equal rights. But these philosophies are not practical- they do not work and they, just like, say, Christianity, became corrupt and contrary to the original intent, turned sour and became the weird dictatorships we have been seeing.
And in Europe now, the main hatred is not against the Jews. It is against the Muslim immigrants. The Europeans hate those now.
Zionism was also not meant to be an evil philosophy- it was a simple national liberation movement in the times when many peoples in Europe were trying to break free from empires and created similar nationalist parties. The Jews also wanted a land for themselves. It was one of many movements in those times. All got their own state either after WW1 or WW2.
Now, the fact that nationalism per se is a good or bad thing as well as whether the Jewish religion is good or bad is a whole different topic.
I personally do not like Judaism because of its nationalistic rhetoric and the "chosen people" syndrome. But the Jews did not invent it, all were born long after it had appeared and just followed it blindly. That is how monotheists see "faith". Scriptures are holy and a word of God and are not to be disputed.
Just like most Christians and Muslims follow their religions blindly.
The Protocols were never seen in the original and were very much a remake of Machiavelli's documents that refered to Napoleon's imperial ambitions. Only names were substituted. Not even a clever fake. Geared for the uneducated Russian populace. So typically Russian. So much of their literature including Pushkin's great poems have been ripped off some foreign poem. Pushkin just copied The Arabian nights, for one and put in Russian- sounding names. I can name a few more literary works.
There was no record of any meeting of the Elders of Zion anywhere. It is not a historical fact. The document signed by any of them was never found or seen.
Muslims were just as hated and were kicked out of Europe. The hatred that Serbs have for Albanians or Turks is just as bad if not worse than what they have for Jews. The Greeks hate Turks just as badly. Mainly because they are Muslims. But the difference is Muslims had countries to go back to after having been kicked out, Jews did not.
Same in the Muslim world- they hate(d) anybody who was not a Muslim. The religious establishment was one with the government and both Jews and Christians were hated. You remember riots and burnings of the churches in Egypt lately? Same thing. Not different. Throughout the history of Islam, non Muslims, particularly Jews and Christians were treated almost equally bad. And in Saudi Arabia, a non Muslim can never be a citizen until today. In Europe, Jews lived as non citizens for centuries- non Christians means non-citizens.
Socialism/Communism/Marxism came way later and were not designed with the original intent to harm society. The beginning was good- these idealists wanted a world that would be more just where everyone would have equal rights. But these philosophies are not practical- they do not work and they, just like, say, Christianity, became corrupt and contrary to the original intent, turned sour and became the weird dictatorships we have been seeing.
And in Europe now, the main hatred is not against the Jews. It is against the Muslim immigrants. The Europeans hate those now.
Zionism was also not meant to be an evil philosophy- it was a simple national liberation movement in the times when many peoples in Europe were trying to break free from empires and created similar nationalist parties. The Jews also wanted a land for themselves. It was one of many movements in those times. All got their own state either after WW1 or WW2.
Now, the fact that nationalism per se is a good or bad thing as well as whether the Jewish religion is good or bad is a whole different topic.
I personally do not like Judaism because of its nationalistic rhetoric and the "chosen people" syndrome. But the Jews did not invent it, all were born long after it had appeared and just followed it blindly. That is how monotheists see "faith". Scriptures are holy and a word of God and are not to be disputed.
Just like most Christians and Muslims follow their religions blindly.
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
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The other day I had a negative experience in a bagel shop with a Jewish man and his elderly mother. He brushed pass me without saying excuse me and I gave him a displeased look. Needless to say, an argument ensued.
When the elderly mother got involved and it was two on one, I basically told her that the dispute was her fault because she should have taught her son common courtesy. They did not like that and continued to fuss and actually called the police on their cell phones claiming I was "threatening people" in the bagel shop. I'm sure my being black was the factor they were trying to exploit. Typical malicious frame-up attempt since they were told about themselves in no uncertain terms.
I ordered my bagel and walked out of the store, but I was shocked at the lengths these two went to gain one-upsmanship. I had never had a negative thought about Jewish people before this incident, but I found myself wondering, "Is this underhanded dishonesty the reason why people tend to not like them?" I know these two idiots don't constitute Jewish people in general, but it made me wonder.
When the elderly mother got involved and it was two on one, I basically told her that the dispute was her fault because she should have taught her son common courtesy. They did not like that and continued to fuss and actually called the police on their cell phones claiming I was "threatening people" in the bagel shop. I'm sure my being black was the factor they were trying to exploit. Typical malicious frame-up attempt since they were told about themselves in no uncertain terms.
I ordered my bagel and walked out of the store, but I was shocked at the lengths these two went to gain one-upsmanship. I had never had a negative thought about Jewish people before this incident, but I found myself wondering, "Is this underhanded dishonesty the reason why people tend to not like them?" I know these two idiots don't constitute Jewish people in general, but it made me wonder.
Yes, it isnt just that they are behind feminism, communism and most other decadent social movements that ruined western civilization (though to be honest, we can not be sure if they were just agents of others in power behind the scenes). It's really their shady business practices and personal interactions with them that will make a person into an Anti-Jewishite (not semite because most of them are not truly semitic being descendants of Khazars).Contrarian Expatriate wrote:The other day I had a negative experience in a bagel shop with a Jewish man and his elderly mother. He brushed pass me without saying excuse me and I gave him a displeased look. Needless to say, an argument ensued.
When the elderly mother got involved and it was two on one, I basically told her that the dispute was her fault because she should have taught her son common courtesy. They did not like that and continued to fuss and actually called the police on their cell phones claiming I was "threatening people" in the bagel shop. I'm sure my being black was the factor they were trying to exploit. Typical malicious frame-up attempt since they were told about themselves in no uncertain terms.
I ordered my bagel and walked out of the store, but I was shocked at the lengths these two went to gain one-upsmanship. I had never had a negative thought about Jewish people before this incident, but I found myself wondering, "Is this underhanded dishonesty the reason why people tend to not like them?" I know these two idiots don't constitute Jewish people in general, but it made me wonder.
Anyhow, I always thought you had converted to Judaism. Or maybe that was someone else from DGM v 1.0.
A good man is above pettiness. He is better than that.
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